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What happened to the Netron Project?

More and more people have been contacting me through this blog, asking what happened to the Netron Project, if I could supply them with a drop of the library, documents etc...

From what I can make out from various places around the web, the project, its source and related IP has been purchased by Northwoods Software (as all URLs seem to redirect to here) and articles on The Code Project have been removed. But fear not, someone has taken the a branch of the code originally written by Francois (the creator of the Netron Project) and has created a new SourceForge project called Netron Reloaded. It doesn't seem to be as active as the original Netron Project (but I suspect, judging by the number of emails I get and hence the purpose of this posting, people aren't aware of it yet), but I hope this will grow in time. The project has 2 releases at the moment – some documents and releases of both the Netron Light Framework and the full Netron Framework with the additional "Cobolt" features.

UPDATE: Francois emailed me to say that he didn't sell the source to Northwoods Software - he decided to close down the project for personal reasons (all entirely valid and I totally support him in his decision) and redirected all his sites to Northwoods Software so that people would be aware of a commercial alternative to his framework. Francois - please come back to the .NET Community when you feel ready - we miss your passion, intelligence and creativity!

Published 06 November 2006 00:03 by howard.vanrooijen
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Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

Francois Vanderseypen has just published a new article about The Netron Project on The Code Project .
November 6, 2006 16:27
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

I released the first version of this tool back in April - and have spent a couple of days this week working
November 6, 2006 16:28
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

I've updated my Lithium based XMLVisualizer for Visual Studio 2005 Beta 2. You can download the updated
November 6, 2006 16:29
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

Updated 06/11/2006: If you are trying to locate the Netron Project see my post " What happened to
November 6, 2006 16:30
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

Updated 06/11/2006: If you are trying to locate the Netron Project see my post " What happened to
November 6, 2006 16:31
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

Francois pinged me to say that he couldn't see the TaskBuilder release on my ProjectDistributor workspace

November 6, 2006 16:31
 

Howard van Rooijen's Blog said:

Updated 06/11/2006: If you are trying to locate the Netron Project see my post " What happened to

November 6, 2006 16:31
 

Marco Ferrari said:

Hmm, this sounds not very convincing. I mean the one of Francois not having sold his project but instead redirecting to Northwoods Software because he is such a nice person and likes Northwoods a lot. Or what? We have been working with their stuff, and it sucks besides being too expensive. The only sensible explanation is that good old Francois sold, which is completely understandable. I hope he has made a good price! Netron was/is in fact VERY NICE. Marco
February 16, 2007 22:01
 

howard.vanrooijen said:

Marco,

I've known Francois for a number of years because of my interest in the Netron Project - he is an amazing guy - I'm not sure how much you know about him - he has a PhD in theoretical physics and is very much an academic through and through; he’s passionate about sharing the knowledge, hence why he wrote so many samples, tutorials and blog posts about the Netron Project. All for no money at all. For all his 3 years of work and support to the community he only received $189 in donations. That's shameful.

But many people do not understand the amount of dedication, time effort you have to pour into running a successful OS product.

As Francois once wrote to me: “I don’t count the hours of trying to make CVS work, to learn working with Sourceforge’s Linux facilities, the maintenance of the website, testing of PHP code and the MySQL database…so much nobody notice. Although I’m happy to have gained a rather broad knowledge of web-related technologies and software release processes I cannot deny that often it’s a burden to have to put so much energy in stuff only tangent to the actual diagramming library.”

Francois was working from 5am until he went to work every morning and then many hours in the evening, in order to work on the code and support the community. But the support the community demanded prevented him from doing what he enjoys most - academic research; instead of spending time on quantum-gravity issues or doing some amazing R&D work on future versions of the Netron Framework, he felt a sense of responsibility towards the current users and spent most of his time supporting users of Netron V1 and V2 even though he was rapidly losing interest in them as he found better ways of implementing the framework (in .NET 3.0 and WPF for example). Can you really blame him for cutting the lead weights of a legacy project when his academic nature is screaming to do cutting edge research?

Personally I think the community has been damn lucky to have a project of that quality and should stop trying to hold Francois to account for it, but should instead thank him for all the work he poured into it and help and support him to do research into new ventures, which I’m sure will be equally as ground breaking.

On a final note, if Francois had sold the source to Northwoods – why is the source available under the banner of “Netron-Reloaded” and why does Francois publicly support this spin off project? Surely Northwoods would have something to say about “their” source being available to the whole world?

In Francois own words: “Your blog of November 6th states that Netron was purchased by Northwoods. That is not correct. It's just a redirect to the Northwoods site to give developers the only valuable alternative on the .Net market.”

February 18, 2007 19:18
 

Walter said:

I can assure everyone that Northwoods Software did not purchase any rights to the Netron software. In fact, other than some comments I posted in the old Netron forum on SourceForge, I do not believe we have ever had any contact with Francois Vanderseypen. I believe we have always had the best software design of any of the .NET diagramming controls. That's partly because of our experience doing these frameworks before, in Java and even earlier in MFC. Many of our customers have volunteered that they thought our design/API was clearer, more elegant, more powerful, more customizable, and more useful than the competition. So I'm surprised that someone would say that our software "sucks". Marco Ferrari probably isn't still reading this blog, but if he could provide some constructive criticism, I would appreciate it. (Although it would be a bit odd to do so here....) The other comment about GoDiagram being expensive is more understandable, particularly when working with open source, but even that isn't completely true. GoDiagram Express, a subset of the functionality, is free.
April 4, 2007 16:05

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